Sorry the product was not the right one. Probably my fault as my husband has terrible trouble getting sox that don't put pressure on his legs and make them bulge. I bought those sox thinking they would be great but didn'r realise they were too short before husband put one pair of them on and wore them all around the [lace. Then I couldn't send them back and he can;t wear them and I'm still without sox which he needs to about the knee plus when he puts them on he cannot fit hi shoes as they are too thick. It didn't seem fair to rate these when they are not rating against quality?